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words, intoxicated with the madness,\n\n23\n00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:24,900\nI'm in love with my sadness. I was in love with Billy Corgan's sadness, too. And that love affair\n\n24\n00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:36,410\nstarted here. My name is Rob Harvilla. I'm a staff writer and music critic at The Ringer,\n\n25\n00:03:36,630 --> 00:03:42,300\nand this is 60 Songs That Explain the 90s, a podcast that isn't always about overwrought\n\n26\n00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:47,910\nemo teenage feelings, but it sure as hell is right now. Today, we're talking about Mayonnaise,\n\n27\n00:03:48,330 --> 00:03:55,080\na deepish cut on the Smashing Pumpkins' previous album, 1993's Siamese Dream. That's mayonnaise\n\n28\n00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:02,540\nwith just one N. The name might be a play on words for, like, my own eyes. My guest today,\n\n29\n00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:08,180\nwe'll be talking to him later, is Bill Simmons. And this is the Smashing Pumpkins song Bill\n\n30\n00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:14,120\nwanted to talk about. Siamese Dream was the band's second album and made them, and especially made\n\n31\n00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:20,980\nBilly Corgan famous. Cue the shit talking. The record's hits, including Today and Cherub Rock\n\n32\n00:04:20,980 --> 00:04:27,840\nand Disarm, were ubiquitous on MTV and alt-rock radio. But Mayonnaise was the moment when my own\n\n33\n00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:38,960\nSmashing Pumpkins obsession began. My high school buddy Gene raved to me about this song. Gene\n\n34\n00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:46,240\nplayed a Fender Stratocaster and knew karate and had a Sega CD and also loved Caius and Monster\n\n35\n00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:58,720\nmagnet. I miss Gene. Mayonnaise is a great song to miss Gene by. Billy Corgan, as distinct from\n\n36\n00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:05,220\nhis fellow 90s rock stars, guitar gods, and voice of a generation types, was an airbrushed van 70s\n\n37\n00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:13,020\nprog rock guy. A high concept and high production value guy. A pastel black Sabbath guy. He was a\n\n38\n00:05:13,020 --> 00:05:19,500\n70s guy overall and not the punk parts of the 70s. Think yes. Think Alice Cooper. Think cheap trick.\n\n39\n00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:32,100\nNo time to play it cool. No time to be cool. The first Smashing Pumpkins album, Gish, came out in 1991, but more importantly to Billy, that's the year Nirvana's Nevermind exploded.\n\n40\n00:05:32,460 --> 00:05:46,440\nIn interviews, it's clear that Nevermind's explosion was quite a traumatic moment for Billy. Any band that sounded remotely like Nirvana could now be famous, but that band would also be, rightly or wrongly, accused of ripping off Nirvana.\n\n41\n00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:55,270\nNever mind success validated Billy and the whiny rock band he'd already started, but it also made Billy's own success immediately uncool.\n\n42\n00:05:56,430 --> 00:06:02,000\nHe looked needy by comparison. He wanted it too much. It meaning anything, really.\n\n43\n00:06:02,420 --> 00:06:08,890\nThe spotlight, the hero worship, the direct emotional connection with 13-year-old dopes such as myself.\n\n44\n00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:18,020\nKurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder, Trent Reznor, Tom York, these are guys powered by self-loathing and to varying degrees paralyzed by a reluctance.\n\n45\n00:06:18,020 --> 00:06:23,000\npossibly even an embarrassment at how much attention we're suddenly paying to them.\n\n46\n00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,960\nEmbarrassment was not necessarily Billy Corgan's problem.\n\n47\n00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,820\nToday was Siamese Dream's breakout hit and the band's most joyful hit overall.\n\n48\n00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,730\nBilly once described it as a happy song about suicide.\n\n49\n00:06:44,030 --> 00:06:50,740\nThe Today video, which is whimsical and color-saturated in a way that still screams the 90s to me,\n\n50\n00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:56,120\nends with Billy getting kicked out of the ice cream truck he and his bandmates have been driving around in.\n"